Posted by: Andy | October 6, 2008

if you’re still on the fence about McCain…

…you might want to read this.

Printer friendly version here, if you like to actually print things.

Now, none of this is “new” info – it’s all been available online for a long period of time, but it’s handy to have it all coalesced here into one easy on the eyes place.  It was even nicer to have it in print magazine form in the new issue of RS.

The magazine version does, of course, lack citations, but you can find pretty much all of them if you are curious and have time on your hands.

This is a nice little bit of negative campaigning on my part, perhaps in honor of McCain’s 100% negative ads these days…but hey, perspective is handy.

Just to balance things, here’s the “Conservapedia” entry on Obama, which is primarily negative propaganda.  It’s interesting to note the amount of time they spend trying to claim that he’s “likely a Muslim” – heck it’s even before the index!   It keeps coming up all over the rest of the page as well.   People are funny. There are plenty of other wrong and erroneous things there – heck the sex ed to kindergartners lie is still up…what active editors & mods they must have!  I suppose I should edit the thing and correct it, but I have zero faith that my “corrections” would be retained.  Another fun bit – check out the bit about his birth certificate drama.  FOR SERIOUS PEOPLE???

Nevermind that McCain was the one actually born outside the US (although technically he is a citizen).

OMG…this section (from the talk page), was so funny I’m ust quoting a chunk of it entirely (I bolded an especially amusing bit):

The entire section regarding his comments about Pearl Harbor has got to go. There is no reason to imply that someone leaving an ‘s’ off the word ‘bomb’ (bombs did fall on Pearl Harbor, that much is true, right?) means they ignore or disdain American history. I’m guessing the McCain article makes no immediate mention of his confusion over the borders of Iran, or his lack of knowledge about the situation in Iraq, illustrated by the fact that he mixed up the Sunnis and the Shi’ites. Do either of those things make sense? NO! I’m sure John McCain knows what he’s talking about, and I’m sure he’s not confused about the issues at hand. Obviously, which course of action he chooses to follow is eternally and rightly up for debate, and if we want to highlight that debate about Obama, then that’s fine. But it’s ridiculous – nay, ridicule-worthy – to say that Obama leaving out an ‘s’ means he thinks Pearl Harbor was nuked. That’s so stupid it turns neurons into Pop Rocks. OtherSide 19:51, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

No, it should stay, the man’s an idiot, clearly. Also – I added the “any educated person would know” bit, which Jareddr just removed. But I’d point out that many of the younger generation don’t know that it wasn’t one bomb. I’ve even spoken to young folk who confuse Pearl Harbor with Hiroshima, and think that the nuclear bomb was dropped on Pearl Harbor! It’s remarkable how uneducated some of today’s public-school educated youth are. Also, people from foreign countries may not know the context of Obama’s gaffe. Perhaps that point might be allowed back in – Jareddr, if you want to re-word it yourself maybe? I think it’s kind of important, the stupidity of his point might be missed otherwise. RobCross 14:55, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Then state something to the effect of, “In actuality, multiple bombs were dropped on Pearl Harbor during the Japanese mission.” You didn’t say anything about being foreign-educated, only “any educated person…” If you want to place it in context using my above phrasing, go ahead. But the entire section has already been set up to switch verbal miscues for “idiocy” so no need to pile on, as they say.
Besides, you don’t see anything on McCain’s pages about him “not knowing” the difference between Sunni and Shiite, referencing Czechoslovakia (a now defunct country), or calling Putin the President of Germany.–Jareddr 14:58, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
OK, I’l do that then Jareddr, thanks for the suggestion. As to the McCain entry, I don’t think we need to highlight those issues, they’re a distraction. RobCross 15:07, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
True, we don’t want to confuse the readers about the candidate storylines. —Jareddr 15:11, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

The entry should be removed, since McCain failed to state how many homes he owns is no where to be seen on the McCain article. SamuelHTD 15:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
Don’t be ridiculous, Samuel. Many everyday Americans have trouble remembering how many homes they own. Sometimes they own a home, but it’s in someone else’s name, or it’s just a vacation lodge, or it’s a few homes on one piece of property. Ask people on the street how many homes they own, and I guarantee very few will answer! —Jareddr 15:46, 5 September 2008 (EDT)


Here’s a great section from their McCain page:

After months of beating sessions and intense interrogations, McCain was psychologically and physically weakened. At one point, he was forced to sign a statement which made claims exonerating his captors of inhumane treatment. The paper was intended for use as propaganda, but in all their subsequent attempts for promoting a “humane” image of the POW camp, McCain worked his hardest to thwart them.

When he does something wrong/etc. it’s ok because aftert that he “worked his hardest to thwart them!”  Well, John…somehow I just don’t think that makes everything ok does it?  There’s some brief points from another POW in the RS article – from a POW who didn’t break.  It’s worth bringing up again my previous question (I think it was somewhere in that post) about what makes a POW a hero, and what makes one a survivor.



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